1. Many of you that make this Reply, hold, _That the Election of the people is by Gods Word sufficient to make a man a true Minister without Ordination._

Now it is certain, that many publique Ministers have been chosen by the free and full consent of their Congregations; and most of them have had an after consent, which was sufficient to make _Leah_ _Jacobs_ wife[177], and why not (to use your own words) to marry a man to a people; and therefore according to your own judgments, all such are lawfull Ministers. For sinfull superadditions do not nullifie divine Institutions.

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2. Some of you, that besides Election, require Ordination for the making of a Minister, yet say, that this Ordination must be by the people of the Congregation; and thus are your Ministers ordained.

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Now we finde neither precept nor president for this in all the Scripture; we finde [178]_Ordination by the laying on of the hands of the Presbytery_, but never of the laying on of the hands of the people. We finde [179]the Apostles, _Timothy_ and _Titus_, _Ordaining_, but never the people _Ordaining_; and for private persons to assume the power of Ordination (that is, a power to send men to preach the Gospel, and administer the Sacraments) is a sin like unto the sin of _Uzzah_, and of _Corah_, and his company. Therefore we say to you, as Christ doth, _Matth._ 6. _First pluck the beam out of thine own eye, and then_, &c. First justifie the Ordination of your own Ministers by private persons, and then you will see better, to find fault with the Ordination of our Ministers.

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3. We distinguish between a defective Ministry, and a false Ministry, as we do between a man that is lame or blind, and a man that is but the picture of a man. We do not deny, but that the way of Ministers entring into the Ministry by the Bishops, had many defects in it, for which they ought to be humbled: But we add, that notwithstanding all the accidental corruptions, yet it is not substantially and essentially corrupted: As it is with Baptism in the Popish Church; all Orthodox Divines account it valid, though mingled with much dross, because the party baptized, is _baptized in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost_. And therefore, when a Papist turns Protestant, he is not baptized again, because the substance of Baptisme is preserved in Popery under many defects. The like, and much more, may be said for the _Ordination of our Ministers by Bishops_: It is lawful and valid for the substance of it, though mingled with many circumstantial defects.