PERSONS OF THE DIALOGUE: An Athenian Stranger, Cleinias (a Cretan), Megillus (a Lacedaemonian).

ATHENIAN: Tell me, Strangers, is a God or some man supposed to be the

author of your laws?

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CLEINIAS: A God, Stranger; in very truth a God: among us Cretans he is

said to have been Zeus, but in Lacedaemon, whence our friend here comes, I

believe they would say that Apollo is their lawgiver: would they not, Megillus?

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MEGILLUS: Certainly.

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ATHENIAN: And do you, Cleinias, believe, as Homer tells, that every ninth

year Minos went to converse with his Olympian sire, and was inspired by

him to make laws for your cities?

CLEINIAS: Yes, that is our tradition; and there was Rhadamanthus, a

brother of his, with whose name you are familiar; he is reputed to have

been the justest of men, and we Cretans are of opinion that he earned this

reputation from his righteous administration of justice when he was alive.

ATHENIAN: Yes, and a noble reputation it was, worthy of a son of Zeus. As

you and Megillus have been trained in these institutions, I dare say that

you will not be unwilling to give an account of your government and laws; on our way we can pass the time pleasantly in talking about them, for I am told that the distance from Cnosus to the cave and temple of Zeus is considerable; and doubtless there are shady places under the lofty trees, which will protect us from this scorching sun. Being no longer young, we may often stop to rest beneath them, and get over the whole journey without difficulty, beguiling the time by conversation.

CLEINIAS: Yes, Stranger, and if we proceed onward we shall come to groves

of cypresses, which are of rare height and beauty, and there are green

meadows, in which we may repose and converse.

ATHENIAN: Very good.

CLEINIAS: Very good, indeed; and still better when we see them; let us

move on cheerily.

ATHENIAN: I am willing.—And first, I want to know why the law has ordained

that you shall have common meals and gymnastic exercises, and wear arms.

CLEINIAS: I think, Stranger, that the aim of our institutions is easily

intelligible to any one. Look at the character of our country: Crete is

not like Thessaly, a large plain; and for this reason they have horsemen

in Thessaly, and we have runners—the inequality of the ground in our

country is more adapted to locomotion on foot; but then, if you have

runners you must have light arms,—no one can carry a heavy weight when

running, and bows and arrows are convenient because they are light. Now

all these regulations have been made with a view to war, and the

legislator appears to me to have looked to this in all his arrangements:—the

common meals, if I am not mistaken, were instituted by him for a

similar reason, because he saw that while they are in the field the

citizens are by the nature of the case compelled to take their meals

together for the sake of mutual protection. He seems to me to have thought

the world foolish in not understanding that all men are always at war with

one another; and if in war there ought to be common meals and certain

persons regularly appointed under others to protect an army, they should

be continued in peace. For what men in general term peace would be said by

him to be only a name; in reality every city is in a natural state of war

with every other, not indeed proclaimed by heralds, but everlasting. And

if you look closely, you will find that this was the intention of the

Cretan legislator; all institutions, private as well as public, were

arranged by him with a view to war; in giving them he was under the

impression that no possessions or institutions are of any value to him who

is defeated in battle; for all the good things of the conquered pass into

the hands of the conquerors.

ATHENIAN: You appear to me, Stranger, to have been thoroughly trained in

the Cretan institutions, and to be well informed about them; will you tell

me a little more explicitly what is the principle of government which you

would lay down? You seem to imagine that a well-governed state ought to be

so ordered as to conquer all other states in war: am I right in supposing

this to be your meaning?

CLEINIAS: Certainly; and our Lacedaemonian friend, if I am not mistaken, will agree with me.

MEGILLUS: Why, my good friend, how could any Lacedaemonian say anything

else?