Mr. SPECTER. Was there any further difficulty of any sort----
Mr. SPECTER. Imposed by any Texas officials on the removal of the body?
Mr. KELLERMAN. No, sir. Whatever happened to the hearse, I don't know. I never left the plane.
Mr. KELLERMAN. We left the hospital; we have a time on that; it is 4 minutes after 2. It is about a 10-minute ride to the airplane.
Mr. SPECTER. On the question of timing, pinning down these times as best we can, how long did it take you to get from the shooting incident to the time you arrived at Parkland, based on your best estimates?
Mr. KELLERMAN. Mr. Specter, it seemed like hours, but we flew there, I honestly don't know. I can't really tell you.
Mr. SPECTER. What is the best estimate of the speed of your vehicle en route from the shooting to the hospital?
Senator COOPER. Let the record show that Congressman Ford has to go to his official duties in the House and that I, Senator Cooper, am now acting as Chairman.
(At this point, Representative Ford left the hearing room.)
Mr. SPECTER. Moving ahead, then, on to the sequences of time as best you can recollect them, Mr. Kellerman, at what time was it ascertained that the President had died and what was the basis of the pronouncement of death.
Mr. KELLERMAN. That was on the death certificate, sir.
Mr. SPECTER. Did you learn at or about 1 o'clock, while you were at Parkland Hospital, that he had died?
Mr. KELLERMAN. I would think so. However, at that time let me say that I wasn't watching any clock too closely and this time was given to me by Dr. Burkley.
Mr. SPECTER. Then you have no independent recollection of time at Parkland when the death was announced or pronounced?
Mr. SPECTER. Now, then, you have specified the time of departure from Parkland Hospital and en route back to Love Field at what, sir?
Mr. KELLERMAN. We departed at 4 minutes after 2 from Parkland.
Mr. SPECTER. What time did you arrive at the President's plane?
Mr. SPECTER. What were your next activities?
Mr. KELLERMAN. Our next time, we had waited until Judge Sarah Hughes had arrived for the swearing-in ceremonies.
Mr. SPECTER. What time did the swearing-in ceremonies occur?
Mr. SPECTER. And what time did the plane depart from Dallas?
Mr. SPECTER. Were you present during the swearing-in ceremonies?